LoL players discuss which champions have lost their unique identities, including Shyvana and Nautilus

League of Legends has given us nearly 200 champions over the past decade and a half, but not all of them have retained their original feel. League players think some champions have lost their unique identities, whether due to being outdated or having new mechanics shift their original design.

A Jan. 30 Reddit thread titled “Which champions have lost their identity?” cropped up and drew in hundreds of replies regarding several champions in League who have become unrecognizable in the face of novelty. The original post first names Kennen, who has lost that sense of being lightning quick, and “many champions seem to outrun him,” claims the thread’s creator. Others, however, point the finger at several other champions, most notably Shyvana and Nautilus, who both feel drastically different from their original selves.